That Casey Cagle is out of the Gov race….
Anyone have any idea what’s up?
My phone informs me
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20 responses to “My phone informs me”
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Heh.
Speaking of naughty Republican candidates, am I the only one who’s noticed that Secretary of State Karen Handel has an image of the state seal on her campaign website? I thought that was against the rules.
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Sweet. Let’s go get ice cream.
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That, I can agree with.
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Sorry, just saw the last post. Yeah, I’ll leave it with this:
I’m not out to say that having one degree confers knowledge in another field, but once you are trained to learn a certain way, it makes it easier to absorb other fields.
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Perhaps. I think to some degree, you are confusing running the office of the Governor with running the state. I have no doubt that Handel, Cagle, and those folks could do the first. I really doubt they have the wherewithal to do much with the second.
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Actually, a better example would replace the architect with a carpenter.
But I think we’ll simply have to agree to disagree as to whether a degree in one field also confers superior knowledge of another.
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“If you wanted a person to build you a house, you wouldn’t choose a doctor or a lawyer because they had more education than an architect, right?”
A better example would be to replace the architect with someone that owns a hair salon. At that point, I’d say the lawyer has the best chance of deciding to go look up the codes, follow them, and be okay.
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I think the actual educational level is beside the point. Why would it suddenly be a problem for him now? HS dropout is not good enough for Gov but OK for Lt. Gov? That doesn’t make any sense.
Has he been deceptive about it perhaps?
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I didn’t say I agreed with the system, only that the system does not require – or even prefer – specialized training in how to run government in order to run government. So I don’t think that Cagle or Handel’s lack of that training disqualifies them.
But I do reject the idea that “educational attainment” should be used to determine whether one candidate is more qualified than another. The education has to be relevant to the position. If you wanted a person to build you a house, you wouldn’t choose a doctor or a lawyer because they had more education than an architect, right? So I don’t see why, if you wanted a person to build you a government, you would prefer a person with a degree in not-government over one without a degree.
“After all, can we really say that the last legislative session was a success being run by a bunch of real estate agents, insurance agents, and miscellaneous ‘small businessmen?’”
No, but I don’t think it was because of their profession. Nor do I think it would have been better if it had been run by engineers and scientists. Really, I’ve met too many of them who will tell you that “tax cuts raise revenues” or “evolution isn’t true because [insert inappropriate application of their field to biology here]” or “women can’t do math” to believe that they are more capable of good governance by virtue of their degree.
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It’s also crazy if you look at the difference between the US and China. The Chinese government is run by engineers and scientists, and storming forward into the 21st century as the manufacturing center of the world. Yes, they are undermining us with slave labor at the moment, but they are definitely out to follow the Japanese and Korean path to success.
The current Georgian leadership is that strange collection of small business owners that we mentioned earlier. We’re still trying to decide to move past Prohibition and nail down for certain that the theory of evolution is true. Oh, and occasionally seduce an East Asian manufacturer to please set up shop here. It’s sad.
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“Or mathematics?”
I would hope so. Mathematicians are trained to very thoroughly, methodically and (here’s the important part) *dispassionately* take apart problems and solve them. They would also be able to understand any modeling or analysis done by their agency heads in the native tongue, rather than needing everything boiled down to a misinterpreted bumper sticker.
“We expect our politicians to have had a career outside of politics.”
That could also be a drawback as well as a plus. After all, can we really say that the last legislative session was a success being run by a bunch of real estate agents, insurance agents, and miscellaneous “small businessmen?”
It just seems strange to me that I’m used to hearing about a four-year anything degree being a requirement for basic office work, and then the top officer in the state being without even that basic requirement?
Now, if Bill Gates wants to run for governor, he can be my guest. But running dad’s trucking company or a grocer doesn’t seem like a major qualifier unless there has been some major asskicking in the state government after that point.
Can we really say that of Handel, Cagle, or any of the Republican candidates?
So, maybe no degree is not entirely a disqualifier for me (but it’s pretty damn close), but it *really* raises the burden of proof that this person can handle the job. And I mean this more than just pushing agencies around.
I mean, this is the 21st Century. There are cabbies in NYC with PhD’s out there. We should be able to expect our leadership to be in at least the top third of educational attainment (bachelors), which is not that high a standard.
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If you didn’t know which of the big three Republican candidates had a college degree, would you be able to tell from how they’ve governed?
I think it would be relevant if we had a system where our elected officials were expected to have some degree of formal education in how to run a government before being elected, but that isn’t the case. We expect our politicians to have had a career outside of politics.
I mean, would Cagle or Handel be better qualified to be governor if they had college degrees in, say, literature? Or mathematics? Or some other unrelated field? I don’t think they would be, but if they did, it’s probably safe to say that the issue wouldn’t come up.
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Yes, but I think if he wants to run a state, college dropout will need a slightly bigger offset than flipping suits and earning a place on the Dirty Dozen for corporate whoredom.
And if you think his success in banking boardrooms was unconnected to his political career, I’ve got a mortgage-backed hedge fund to sell you membership in.
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Sorry guys but belittling someone who has been successful without a college degree is just plain wrong.
Of all of the repubs that are/were running for Gov. Cagle is the one that I have a little respect for.
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MOTS –
Are you telling me that Cagle is a HS dropout? Why do Republicans glamourize ignorance?
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He does have the back problem, but it’s not the single level fusion that’s making him withdraw, it’s the banking and ahem, “misunderstanding of his educational status” that’s causing him to withdraw.
Allegedly that quote above was from Cagle, but I didn’t hear it directly.
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I’ve heard a lot about CC at the Gold Dome and an immediate surgery with a race two years out sounds like utter bullshit. Especially for someone who loves to campaign.
When he runs for Lt. Gov that will make the bullshit even bigger.
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I think Sam Olens announcement on friday just got a whole lot more interesting.
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An AJC commenter said that it’s more of a backbone problem…
I wish him the best of health, but am so glad this lightweight is out of the race. When will the Republicans learn that it’s okay to recruit intelligent, accomplished people for their leadership positions?
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He has back problems…
“I‚Äôve been diagnosed with some serious nerve and bone problems and a degenerative spinal condition. The issue could be hereditary or it could be the result of an old injury, but the unfortunate reality is that it requires immediate surgical treatment.”
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