I hope everyone will agree with me that when Sheila Jackson Lee gets booed just because she has chosen (so far) not to drink the Obama Kook-Aid, things have gotten out of control. I mean, yeah, let’s get all us Hillary people together and go boo Ted Kennedy! BRILLIANT!
I think Mark and Cathy should go on a nationwide speaking tour called “How Divisive Primaries Can Completely Fuck Up An Election”, because the deja vu is starting to hurt.
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You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.
Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.
There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female. But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.
She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.
She means to rise.
She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.
In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.
Rise Hillary.
Rise.
Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou
by Dr. Maya Angelou
3/31/2008 10:45:30 AM
im asking seriously here, am i the only one who hears HRC say she won’t drop out and thinks that she is in this only for her?
I really don’t think that’s the case. I think we can attribute all kinds of reasons for her staying in, but I think it’s simple.
She wants to win. More honestly, I think Bill wants a third term, but I do believe Hillary wants to be president – for her own reasons.
I think she’s hanging on to the tiniest sliver of hope and honestly believes what she is doing is right.
I disagree with the calls for her to drop out – mostly because she has to believe she lost fair and square. And I think all Democrats owe her that respect.
im asking seriously here, am i the only one who hears HRC say she won’t drop out and thinks that she is in this only for her? I don’t know her or her inner psyche (im only an inner redneck exposed, not an inner psychologist) but thats what it seems like to me…the odds are decidedly against you lets go after fucking John Sidney McCain…anyways, i still stand by my belief we should have nominated Richardson…but that’s just me.
well we ain’t getting along until after the convention. Wonderful.
I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong. I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don’t resolve it, we’ll resolve it at the convention — that’s what credentials committees are for
Now, here is a hypothetical, supposing HRC manages to defy odds and over take BHO in delegates, and the popular vote, there will be so much pressure from HRC for him to drop out that it would kill a scuba diver in a second (they can only sustain so much underwater pressure before their organs collapse). I just hope someone drops out soon although with that quote, no one is.
Bwahahahahahahahaha, Smitty. There’s only one problem with your “one newspaper” conspiracy – there’s friggin video.
But you stay in that Clinton World of “poor me.”
Booing = free speech, Hillfans = hating on free speech? Obama supporters in SJL’s district = “a bunch of whining idiots?” I’ll try not to hit the cat with my dropping jaw.
Sometimes I wonder how we’re all supposed to get along again one day after half of us see the other half as having ass-raped the party.
yup, RJ I bet there wasn’t one challenge by the Obama camp during that entire day of fainting delegates. Nope just the Clinton camp making challenges.
okey dokey. and when you’re ready to read beyond the bias of one newspaper, I’ll purchase the swamp land of yours.
Did you also read how machines broke down, how the system wasn’t equipped to handle that many people…there were a lot of frustrated folks that day. But, if you believe that frustrated or not Democrats should boo a sitting Democratic congressperson than go forth with your “new day of politics”.
wanna know why we should stop fighting, watch 60 minutes now.
sure wasn’t.
Bye bye President Clinton or Obama, hello President McCain!
if that issue is a sticking point with you there are other candidates to vote for.
Not to worry, plange, I never had any intention of voting for her.
But, of course, that wasn’t the issue in this discussion, was it?
I think now we know why Richardson should have been our nominee.
A) We would be fighting McCain now.
B) His experience beats the crap out of HRC’s and JSM’s, combined.
C) He is a minority but his name is not threatening.
D) Dude is a badass.
E) Something else.
But yea, you like the qualities of Clinton and Obama, vote Richardson.
at least 06 was at times interesting. At least then we weren’t squandering an election we should win.
C’est la vie.
Richardson ’08!
she takes responsibility for her vote; and as she said in an earlier debate, if that issue is a sticking point with you there are other candidates to vote for.
sndeak, of course that was the circumstance. But it makes better headlines when Clinton supporters can cry “poor me” with her.
Here’s the truth:
HOUSTON — On the campus of Texas Southern University was a Democratic Senate District convention unlike the others being held across the state.
Democrats together, but yet still divided over who should be the Democratic presidential nominee.
And never more was that more apparent than when longtime Houston Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee took the stage.
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080329_tj_jacksonlee.11d275a3.html
(emphasis mine)
Here you go, plange……….note the date
Feb. 11: 2008
Clinton Iraq plan: Diplomacy, funding
The New York senator repeated her long-standing mantra – “If we knew then what we know now, I would never have voted to give this president the authority.” And she again batted down calls for her to describe her vote as a mistake.
“I’m sorry, what I say is what I believe,” she said. “I understand that some people disagree or think it’s not adequate, but it’s what I believe.”
I think this has alot to do with the constant Clinton challanges during this overly long and tedious Texas primacaucus.
She just happened to be the one to catch the brunt of it. I’m not saying it’s right but you really need to put this in context. The Obama kool-aid comment is a typical slam that is used way too often.
RJ_Forsyth, except that your premise was:
After all, Hillary still refuses to admit any error in voting to go to Iraq.
I think if a superdelegate was undecided before their primary it makes sense for them to go with their district, but if you’ve made that commitment prior, then you should be free to continue that support. We don’t do “winner take all” like the Republicans. I’m not calling for Kerry, Richardson and Kennedy to switch…
If you’re of a mindset that says it’s ok to boo a distinguished Congressperson, then, wow… doesn’t sound like a new kind of politics that I like or want to be a part of.
Oh, and on that Iraq vote, Smitty………
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret “the way the president used the authority.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
Of course, today, poll run, popularity contestant, Hillary Clinton says something else……
and if you buy that, I’ve got a swamp to sell ya…….used to be Lake Lanier.
It seems RJ that you are fond of surface politics. Know the facts and not the hype.
Sadly, Smitty, you are fond of ignoring the facts.
Shelia Jackson Lee was supporting Hillary Clinton at the Texas convention where Hillary tried to disenfranchise the Obama delegates.
After many hours of withstanding massive crowds, fainting delgates, and challenges by the Clinton camp, Shelia Jackson Lee took the stage and tried to cheerlead for the very person who was trying to take away their delegate status.
What the holy hell did she expect?
And frankly, if you support these kinds of gutter politics, I’ll take the surface ones any day.
Hillary still refuses to admit any error in voting to go to Iraq.
It seems RJ that you are fond of surface politics. Know the facts and not the hype.
Hillary has taken responsibility for her vote many times:
Hillary: ‘I have taken responsibility for my vote, and I believe that none of us should get a free pass.’ “You know, George, my vote was a sincere vote based on the facts and assurances that I had at the time. And I have taken responsibility for my vote, and I believe that none of us should get a free pass. It is up to the voters to judge what each of us has said and done. But I think the most important thing now is to focus on what we have to do together, particularly as Democrats, to try to force this president to change direction.” [AFSCME forum, Carson City, NV, 2/21/07]
Hillary: ‘Well, I cast a sincere vote based on my assessment at the time, and I take responsibility for that vote.’ “Well, I cast a sincere vote based on my assessment at the time, and I take responsibility for that vote. I also said on the floor that day that this was not a vote for pre-emptive war. I thought it made sense to put inspectors back in. As you recall, Saddam had driven out the UN inspectors in 1998 and the situation in Iraq was opaque, hard to determine, and I thought that it made sense to put inspectors back in. Now, obviously, if I had known then what I know now about what the president would do with the authority that was given him, I would not have voted the way that I did.” [Meet the Press, 9/23/07]
Hillary: ‘I have said many times that I take responsibility for my vote.’ “Hillary countered, ‘I have said many times that I take responsibility for my vote.’ [Hillary remarks in Dubuque, Iowa, reported by New York Observer, 3/5/07]
Uh … there’s a slight difference between a personal choice of vote for a person that one may or may not like versus horrifically failed policy that has gotten unpopular.
Perhaps that’s why 90% of Shelia Jackson Lee’s constituents voted against Hillary, ya’ think?
After all, Hillary still refuses to admit any error in voting to go to Iraq.
Uh … there’s a slight difference between a personal choice of vote for a person that one may or may not like versus horrifically failed policy that has gotten unpopular.
We condemn Cheney for this:
CHENEY: On the security front, I think there’s a general consensus that we’ve made major progress, that the surge has worked. That’s been a major success.
RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.
Yet, defend Shelia Jackson Lee for this:
ACTIVIST: 90% of your constituents voted for Barack Obama
LEE: So?
Of all the great things Sheila Jackson Lee has done for her district, a bunch of whining idiots have the audacity to boo her because she doesn’t agree with their candidate — it’s a freaking democracy people, get over it!
Woot! There it is again……..”just who the hell do these voters think they are?”
Here are a couple of questions that I have in this “superdelegate must vote their district” crap:
1. where in the DNC bylaws or charter does it state that?
2. which came first – the superdelegates’ support of a candidate or the election where their constituents voted in?
3. if the superdelegate doesn’t support the candidate chosen by their constituents, what are we gonna do – not vote for them when they run for congress or whatever elected position? How much sense does that make?
4. if your superdelegate person switches their allegiance, doesn’t that say much more about their character?
It’s all bullshit and lot of whining by people who just woke up one day and realized that there was even a organization called the DNC.
Of all the great things Sheila Jackson Lee has done for her district, a bunch of whining idiots have the audacity to boo her because she doesn’t agree with their candidate — it’s a freaking democracy people, get over it!
And Chris shows exactly the thinking of politicians – “screw the voters.”
Bezerko, you are exactly right – Ted Kennedy and John Kerry deserve the cat calls when they stand before their constituents.
What’s sad is the idea that voters are supposed to show up on election day and then “sit down and shut the hell up” during their representative’s term. THEY (the elected representatives) are SuperDuperDelegates, by God!
And if Hillary supporters want to boo Ted and John for supporting BO, fine.
Ugh, that’s not what I meant to say. The post was more critical of the constituents than of the superdelegate in question, Shelia Jackson Lee. I don’t see why a few people representing the 90% of the dist. that supported BO weren’t within their rights to voice their opinion of her support for HRC. Damn, we’re (grassroots) damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.
That’s funny, RJ. When I went to vote for Hank Johnson last year I don’t remember the office being “Seat in Congress and Vote at the 2008 DNC”.
Members of Congress become super delegates by virtue of their office, true, but if the DNC intended them to vote their district they would have just given every Democratic district an extra delegate for the winner that was automatically assigned to the member of Congress.
I’m glad we have a system where Jackson Lee and Kennedy are both free to advocate on behalf of a candidate that their respective districts didn’t choose. Those are the rules going in, and there’s no point in trying to pretend retroactively that they were something different.
“What would I be if I went back on my word to an individual that I’ve worked with for more than a decade and sat down talked to me about her vision for America,‚Äù said Jackson Lee.
What it would say about her is that she is representing her constituents.
And, YES, Kennedy should do the same.
As for the Cox/Taylor argument, it boils down to the same thing – candidates who ran because it “was their turn” and not because it was right for Georgia.
Jackson Lee, first and foremost, should represent those people who put her in office – not her personal version of “loyalty.” Her first and only loyalty is to them. Not a presidential candidate.
Heavily gerrymandered urban Houston district. Pretty much the kind of place Axelrod lives for.
http://nationalatlas.gov/asp/cd_popups.asp?imgFile=../printable/images/preview/congdist/TX18_110.gif&imgw=750&imgh=452
Interesting post. 90%?
“One who’s known for nothing more than giving a great speech”
The guy may not have the decades of senior legislating that a Kennedy possesses, but witness here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783
In addition, he seems to have kept more than astride of important issues, including the prediction of our current economic predicament a year ago.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-year-old-letter-to-bern.php
It’s also not just that the guy makes pretty words (pretty though they are), but his words make sense. He’s not exactly the Pied Piper burying difficult problems with happy talk here – if you watch his recent economics speech for example, he does get it. There’s a lot wrong with the system. First, the fancy-pants hedge funds told us to deregulate our profits because it was just their own private play money. They subsequently integrated their shitty paper into the entire economy, and thus held the gun to *all* our heads. If they want to play this game, they come under the purview of the state, post-haste.
I’m also having the good fortune to read Dr. Drew’s book, (slowly I’ll admit) and Obama is keyed in. He’s not perfect on this score, but it’s amazing if you read the advice on dealing with race. You don’t let subconscious networks fester – you call them out on national television, which is exactly what Obama did.
Why I’m behind the man: With him in the bully pulpit, liberal ideas get their first decent airing for a good long time. JFK sent us to the moon with a pretty speech. LBJ brought civil rights forward with a pretty speech (and a gutsy-ass move in the face of known electoral dynamics).
Better wonks than Clinton have come and gone and died on the same spears (and many worse) she is currently taking. If we were a nation that cared first and foremost about reason and intellect, the policy advisors would be running the place, not the politicians.
Keep in mind that these are all the words of someone that is hyper-rational and can barely comprehend why anyone would listen to a guy that dresses funny on Sundays.
Now with all that said, it’s pretty f’ing retarded that people would boo a good representative just because of who she backs in this fight. It’s not as if she’s helping Republicans keep their seats, for pity’s sake:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/15/10612/7994
Finally, McCain’s a senile old man that can’t decide if he’s a Bush Republican or a Democrat. I’m starting to get hungry for a chance to sink him once and for all.
are we fighting 06 again? Great.
All i am saying is, of all people, I have moved on.
“What would I be if I went back on my word to an individual that I’ve worked with for more than a decade and sat down talked to me about her vision for America,‚Äù said Jackson Lee.
– what a novel idea — LOYALTY!
The problem with Cathy is that she didn’t support Mark after he won the primary, and that lent Perdue some credibility in his and the GOP’s attacks on Taylor. Clearly, if you look at the difference in Taylor and Martin’s votes, Taylor was failing to secure a lot of liberal metro voters who either crossed over for Perdue or voted for the libertarian. Taylor had no disadvantage compared to Martin in rural counties.
Yeah, yeah. Wouldn’t have made a difference ultimately (he’d have just lost by the same margin as Cagle) but it was a classless turn of events by Cox that I would imagine many primary voters won’t forget for some time.
I highly doubt either Clinton or Obama would do that to each other in a general election. Sure, some of their supporters are a little out of hand right now and maybe telling pollsters something that might not be true when the eventual loser tells their supporters “buck up and vote for the nominee”. I’m sure either one will.
Oh the divisiveness in this primary has already messed us up. However, it doesn’t help that we’ve got two lackluster candidates running. One who’s known for nothing more than giving a great speech, and the other who’s name brings rage when its mentioned in many areas.
Anyway, if the part in there about her district going 90-10 for Obama is true, well, can you blame them for being upset?
You can look at it two ways:
A) She should be booed for not supporting the candidate her district overwhelmingly supported.
or
B) She should receive applauds for supporting the only one of our two candidates who has a chance in November, and also will be least likely to tear our party apart!
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